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age savages Of course even "stone age savages" (as Pikachu bigotedly refers to them) could figure out that life follows death and so they realized around the world that it did. It's such a simple idea, really. And it's one of only three possible real alternatives. Why the heck does Pikachu think "borrowing" is any kind of needed explanation? |
By the way, dummy |
Even in the Hebrew Bible the underworld or Sheol is not a place uniquely of punishment. It is a general idea for the place of the dead. The idea of the dead ascending had not yet developed -- but it would, in Judaism, which is the ONLY place Christianity "borrowed" anything about it. |
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So all of Pikachu's rambling about belief in life after death in pre-Columbian Nicaragua, in the Tongas islands of the Pacific, and the old cultures of Greenland and New Guinea, is just a bunch of mulluguthering that deserves a "so what" in giant neon letters. Until atheism in modern times (or else, some view that made other persons into animals, less than human) there just wasn't any ideological alternative. Christians
believe in eternal life -- who with any logical sense wouldn't! |
Babylon & Assyria
Yeah, it's a Western civilization that started three
or four thousand years BC! So what? They believed that the ekimmu
survived the death of the body and descended
to the underworld. Like, what do you expect them to believe? That it went to McDonald's?
The myth of the god Ishtar describes her descent into the underworld to bring back her lover to this world -- back to life. In the underworld Ishtar meets demons who punish the dead for sins committed during life. Sound familiar? Not to anyone who goes to a Christian church. The worms part comes closest; it's from OT imagery, though (Is. 66:24) and it is that which Jesus borrowed from (Mark 9:44-8). Of course since it reflects what actually happens to a corpse (prior to modern funereal procedures) it's hardly any sort of news. There's no parallel for lazing on a couch except in cartoons, which may be where Pikachu gets all his Christian theology from. "Pure water" in Christian theology is drunk during this life (John 4:14, 6:35). Jesus did not descend into the underworld despite later developments; and so of course he brought no one back. In Christian theology demons do not punish anyone except in medieval and Renassance art.
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Pikachu thinks that just because the Jews lost a war with the Babylonians in 586 BC, and were taken as captives back to Babylon, where they lived for generations, this is some k9ind of evidence that they stole myths from Babylon. Stupid idea. Detailed research shows that the Jewish versions are independent of, not dependent on, the Babylonian versions: Yes, Babylon's creation myth begins with a watery waste and an abyss that the great God Marduk gives shape and order. But it is the name of that watery chaos (Tiamat -- the goddess) that gives away the store. Linguistically the Hebrew word for it (tehom) cannpot be derived from Tiamat. All of this and more is documented by Alexander Heidel in his premier work, The Babylonian Genesis. See the big differences for yourself. The myth of the first man, named Adamu? Well gosh. There'd have to be a first man for there to be any man at all, wouldn't there? But see the same article for even more significant differences showing that the Babylonian version has Babylonian "touches" that could not have preceded the Jewish version (mainly, the "image" language applied to all men). Pikachu says: Utnapistrum (often called the "Babylonian Noah") built an arc [sic], collected animals, and saved the world from a great flood. Sounds like evidence that such a flood actually happened, since they (and lots more cultures) know a similar story. But wait: Utney sure sounds like a Babylonian, because he also brings on board treasures and artisans, and his ship is not a real barge shape but is built like a Borg cube. In other words, signs of being later than what the Jewish story represents. Last Pikachu notes the story of Sargon of Akkad, born of a priestess mother, who was placed in a basket of bulrushes and pitch and left floating on the river Euphrates, where he was found and raised as a gardener, before becoming King. But sorry -- the scholarship is against him there, too. ....Boy, does Pikachu digress. He digressed a long time ago, actually. |
| Christians believe in Eternal Life -- pour yourself as much cereal as you want! |
Egypt Believe it or not, Osiris' followers didn't think that they could just kill, rape, and pillage all their lives and not pay for it in the hereafter either. Unlike in Christianity, however, they had to recite a list of their good deeds in life, based on which Osiris rewarded them with eternal life. Whereas Christian salvation is based on faith and grace, not works. |
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Persia Not even the Persians were goofy enough to reject such a basic idea. But even they believed in being judged according to deeds, words and thoughts in life, which is still a mile away from salvation by faith. No surprise, the good passed over the bridge safely and into paradise (no, not Burger King, or the opera house) while the bad were dragged down to hell (no, not a George Carlin concert, though it would be close). Christians
believe in eternal life -- have you got any better ideas? |
| Christians believe in eternal life -- find us someone in ancient history that didn't! |
| Greece Yeah. Pikachu says he knows you've heard the Greek myth of the dead ferried by Charon across the river Styx into Hades -- the world of the dead -- so I won't bore you with that. But he will bore us with his ridiculous attempts to cast this as anything "borrowed". By the way there is no river and no ferry in the Judeo-Christian view. | |
| Christians believe in eternal life -- now isn't that a big whoopy-doo surprise. |
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next time you're with Lurch When they get to the part about your soul, and how it will live on after you die, remember that this is just a common sense idea derived from logical alternatives. Of course other cultures will have generally similar ideas, you dummy! You'll know Pikachu is blowing smoke, yet again -- and needs to take a course in critical thinking, to say nothing of Christian theology and basic spelling. Noah's ARC?? Come on!! Uhhhhhhhhh! |