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| Hey Presto! It's yet more common sense |
Come on, Pikachu. Let's talk seriously about miracles. Lousy
with naturalism Pikachu wants to stack the deck as quickly as possible, so he begins with what he calls a "Christian miracle..." -- which probably isn't. |
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early Christian leg pulling exercise
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Now when he [Simon Magnus]
was in Rome, he mightily disturbed the Church, and subverted many, and
brought them over to himself, and astonished the Gentiles with
his skill in magic, insomuch that once,...he...promised
he would fly in the air; and...indeed
he was carried up into the air by demons, and did fly on high in the air,
saying that he was returning into heaven, and that he would supply them
with good things from thence... I [Peter]
stretched out my hands to heaven ... and
besought God through the Lord Jesus to throw down this pestilent fellow,
and... When I had said these words,
Simon was deprived of his powers, and fell down headlong. |
Pikachu puts a date of "third century" on the story, but he's about 100 years too early -- try fourth century. But here's the real bonehead error: He thinks that this story was meant to be taken seriously. No, really. In his rush to demonstrate that those stupid ancients "saw miracles as everyday events," Pikachu picks a story that is so obviously late, and so obviously designed to be an amusing parody, that it goes right over his head that no one meant for this to be read as history. And there's more -- Pikachu is making out the ancients to be remarkably stupid to the point that miracles were "everyday," but come on now -- the accounts we have are but a microcosm of ancient events; millions of people lived all over the Roman Empire, and the Empire lasted for centuries; count the number of reported miracles pro rata, and you'll find (as in the Bible as well) that miracles were actually infrequent and happened to only the tiniest portion of the population. Pikachu makes the classic error of looking through a narrow window and thinking he is seeing from one end of the horizon to the other. |
In all of this, Pikachu asserts that "miracle power" was regarded as some sort of Star Wars force-and-the-dark-side thing, but that as usual is beside the point. One may as well speak of electricity the same way, since we have to "plug in" to a "force" to use it. This is the nature of power -- it isn't something "stolen" or "borrowed" from somewhere else.
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And a woman, who had an issue
of blood twelve years, and had suffered many things of many physicians,
and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew
worse, having heard the things concerning Jesus, came in the crowd behind,
and touched his garment. For
she said, If I touch but his garments, I shall be made whole. And straightway
the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that
she was healed of her plague. And straightway Jesus,
perceiving in himself that the power from him had gone forth, turned
him about in the crowd, and
said, "Who touched my garments?" |
| Did you catch that?Pikachu dishonestly ignores Josephus' caution; he manipulatively describes this as being on one page of one book as though you could throw open to any one page of Josephus and find just as many miracles recorded; leading to the conclusion that they were everywhere at all times, and these people must have been ridiculously gullible. He says it himself: Pick up any ancient text; Pagan or Christian, it's got miracles in it. Guaranteed. I in turn guarantee that these miracles will be rare, and will be considered to be unusual events. For a more reasoned and scholarly view, see here -- note this sample: In antiquity miracles were not accepted without question. Graeco-Roman writers were often reluctant to ascribe miraculous events to the gods, and offered alternative explanations. Some writers were openly skeptical about miracles (e.g. Epicurus; Lucretius; Lucian). So it is a mistake to write off the miracles of Jesus as the result of the naivety and gullibility of people in the ancient world. Note also that the time of Jesus was specifically one of the least "gullible" in ancient history. |
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Pikachu cuts his own feet out from under him when he admits that it's hard to imagine a God who doesn't do miracles. Miracles are one of the things that make a God a God. Duh. It's also a fact of logic that makes Pikachu's whole "borrowing" thesis an inert mass of irrelevance. No one thinks or cares that Christianity was new and unique in this respect. Since miracles are what "make a God a God" -- true or false -- Pagan Gods who did them before Jesus are of no relevance. So there, indeed. |
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Since even Pikachu admits that miracles practically HAD to be a staple of any religious leader or divine being worth his or her salt, there's no need to comment on most of his list of miracles by Asclepius and the others. Once again, it's not as though a genuine, divine Jesus will have to say to Mary and Martha, "I'm sorry, I can't raise your brother Lazarus, because Asclepius already did that one." I mean, let's be serious here. There are just a few comments worth making otherwise.
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"Asclepius was the son of Apollo [a god] and Coronis [a mortal woman -- is the pattern sinking in here?]...he healed many sick whose lives had been despaired of, and... he brought back to life many who had died." [Diodorus Siculus, The Library of History, 4.7.1.1- 2] |
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Pikachu gets a lot of his cites from this Diodorus guy, but don't get too happy. Diodorus isn't taken at face value, as noted here: The history, which is a compilation of other sources, is often repetitive and contradictory. Historians generally regard it as uncritical and unreliable. It's more than just, "he reports miracles," folks -- it's how well he does history; in that regard, the NT writers (Luke especially) tend to be a cut above.
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