How do pagan copycatters abuse such quotes?
Like Pikachu,
they look at the words and announce their uneducated conclusion. They assume that just because, i.e., the word "salvation" is used (Pikachu's allusion to a "great
mass of other evidence" unspecified, notwithstanding) that there must be some "connection".
The
real scholars -- not just believing ones -- have their answers, and here is how Pikachu frames it in terms of his "four defenses":
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Pikachu claims to have gotten from a "professor at Yale" some explanation (though he does not quote it) that because it doesn't say "eternal
rebirth,"...it's not the same. I suspect Pikachu misheard "jail" for "Yale" on that one, or that the source was so far above his head that he missed it. It's also hard to figure because the quote above does not mention "rebirth" at all.
The reality however is that, as we note, "salvation" was a general use word that referred to just about any kind of serious "help" you could imagine. It could mean a rescue from a bad military situation. Or, someone who got you out of a burning building could be your "savior". Yes, the word is still used that way today sometimes; not often, but it carries a more general meaning. Here's a passage from Demosthenes Speeches 21-30: When he realized what trouble he was in, and came to the conclusion that he would be reduced by famine, if by no other means, he made the discovery, whether by suggestion or by his own wits, that his only chance of salvation lay where there is salvation for everybody. And where is that? In your good-nature, if that is the right term, men of Athens,--or call it what you will. "Salvation" meant a way of safety of well-being. Thus it is absurd to just say, "Hey, there's the word 'salvation'. Must be a connection to Christianity." In fact, such reasoning is absurd beyond belief.
Pikachu's next example: Yes Tammuz dies and rises, but Tammuz isn't a dying and
rising god because he's really a demi-God,
not a fully vested, tenured god...So Jesus is completely different from Tammuz. Yes, he is. And how does Pikachu answer this? He doesn't. He just throws this out as though it's made an error by exposure. (There is even more to it, of course: See here.)
He does try to answer about Osiris, but in so doing exposes his confusion: Osiris did die and get resurrected and go to Egyptian heaven, where he judges people and gives his followers
eternal life -- but his resurrection was to heaven,
not to Earth, see, so it wasn't really a resurrection. Well, there wasn't. For one thing, that's more temrminological equivocation; what Osiris had was not a "resurrection" as properly defined in Jewish terms; what he underwent was something entirely different, a function of the way the bodies of the Egyptian gods worked: They never could actually be "killed" and their body parts could be exchanged like Lego blocks (see more here. This is a case of Pikachu using the word "resurrection" in an improper, popular sense to mean ANY reversal from death of any sort (a problem that plagues the book he recommends by Mettinger, by the way). It's how the neophytes of the pagan copycat crowd play their game -- in complete scholastic ignorance.
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Pikachu has a ready excuse for anything that goes wrong with his theories, and he is well to admit that he isn't smart enough to see how that reasoning
works that differences work against a borrowing thesis.
His "logic" in this is (duh), well, when you apply the same reasoning to other
ancient mystery religions,
you get a silly answer....According to
the believing scholars' difference-proves-no-borrowing
rule, they didn't borrow from each other.
Well, sorry to bust Pikachu's little bubble, but overall, scholars -- "believing" or otherwise -- don't say that the mystery religions "borrowed" from each other, either. The rare exception is small -- David Ulansey for example regards Roman Mithraism as a completely innovative faith; the name of the Persian god Mithra was "borrowed," yes, but there were very good reasons for it (i.e., the appeal in Rome of Eastern religions; the founding of the cult helped by the king Mithradates). So I have no idea where the heck Pikachu gets the impression that scholars have been somehow inconsistent in this regard. Nor in fact do they say that the ancient mystery religions each
came up with the idea of God all on their own. The idea of a god or gods was part of general mental "furniture" that comes from the world around us. There's no need to "borrow" that specific idea; this, and certain other aspects like eternal life, are just normal, logical outgrowths of human spirituality. However, there are even greater tests that need to be passed to prove borrowing -- see here for how the scholars really do their work -- it's far more stringent than Pikachu's, "duuuh, they used the same word" technique!
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And what about Judaism? Oddly enough, one of Pikachu's almost non-existent references to Judaism crop up here, and he just recites a litany of, "Judaism is different from this in Christianity" -- obviously unaware that they are more the same than they are different. He says, The Christian three-headed God is different from Judaism's one-headed God, but sorry -- the foundation for the Trinity lies in Jewish thinking He says, Christian salvation is different from Jewish salvation. Not quite -- "salvation" in both cases meant salvation from personal sin. Christian baptism is different from Jewish baptism. The Christian Eucharist
is different from Judaism's Eucharist -- does Judaism even have
baptism and a Eucharist? What profound ignorance this shows! Pikachu has never even heard of Judaism's ritual cleansings and baths (like those at Qumran) and has never heard of their sacred meals (Passover seders, and meals at other festivals). And he wants us to believe what he says about "pagan" borrowing by Christianity?! (Contradictorily, he has elsewhere shown that he knows of ritual baths at Qumran!)
At any rate, Pikachu's charge of inconsistency is groundless, because this "differences prove no borrowing" rule is NOT applied the way he claims. He can't get the answer he wants, so he makes up one for his opponents!
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