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Skeptical Victims of Tekton Apologetics
Ministries Compiled
(in any particular order) by J. P. Holding Last
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Oh, dear again. Poor Mojo got back from his banana-hunting trip and immediately stepped in a big pile of moral dog doo with his recent updates. For one, he gave space to Joe "Wally" Wallack, a confused soul who was repeatedly edited and moderated on TheologyWeb for making crude sexual allusions and brazen anti-Semitic puns. For another, someone "anonymous" sent Mojo a copy of a response to me on TWeb, and Mojo posted it with no concern for whether it was posted somewhere and may have been reserved intellectual property. Well, that's the way it goes sometimes when you're a fan of "Skeptic X": You'll take anything, even if Adolf Hitler wrote it. Now, to top it all off, poor Mojo posted a response to "me" (ahem) on our Exodus logistics article, unaware that the portion responded to was written not by me, but by Tekton contributor Brent Hardaway (so much for Mojo's personal frustrated hate campaign). Sometimes you just can't win when you're irrational: you just keep shooting blanks.
Introduction -- this will pretty much speak for itself, but I will add a caveat. Many of the links below are NOT to the page where the works are located. Rather, they are links to the Google search engine, with instructions added so that Google will perform a search for you using selected unusual terms and phrases from the articles of the critics. (Don't understand the process? Skeptics with mental difficulties may read the tutorial here.) The purpose of this? To settle some of these whines about not having links being a way of "hiding" things. What crockery! We'll show them complainers just how simple and easy it is to find things. Unless they have a real problem, of course, finding things like their own backsides.
Obviously your own results may vary as Google adds things to it's collection. This parody is also part fun, part self-defense, part answer to some of the more delusional personages peeling their bananas out there in their spare time. Such persons deserve a little pity for the dull lives they lead. As an aside, I also deleted links to those who refuse to honor my use of a pseudonym. These folks were given ample warning and have ample time to change such references, so there can't be any excuses about it. Get in gear, fellows. (Many links were all deleted 10/14/03. They sure had time to get their priorities in order, didn't they?)
MCTILL HAS BEEN WAY TOO FRUSTRATED!
An offer to debate LIVE at one of my alma mater, Florida State University, was issued long ago to distract from the beating C. Farris McTill has been getting in print!
Click here to read the response Till wouldn't answer!!
ESSAYS
1.1 Daffy Duck
1.1.1 "[Holding] and the Trilemma" -- appears on first page of Google entires
The Trilemma critic, now known here as Daffy Duck, in the latest of his incarnations. Daffy figures you to be so lazy or stupid that you could never find his articles without help, and won't even click an email link to ask me who he is. He was right, but the reason was either patent disinterest or that my readers were smart enough to find him without a link. Well, for the rest of the world, consisting of Skeptics without the sense to use a search engine properly, here you go. BTW my replies to this gushing frenzy of anachronism is found first here, and then I subjected Daffy to his own drug of rhetorical analysis and stage fright here.
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off balance]
1.1.2 Daffy on "The Impossible Faith" -- comes up on first page of Google entries
Daffy really wimped out on this one; I truly wondered if something had gone wrong and he had gotten sick. My reply here finally got some attention in January 2004 and now my reply is in the text of the original work.
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off kilter]
1.1.3
Daffy's First Tricycle Ride on the Trilemma -- comes up on first page of Google entries
The original effort by Daffy that led to item 1 above.
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by Johnny Carson]
1.2
G. A.
Wells
1.2.1
"A Reply to J.P. Holding’s ‘Shattering’ of My Views on Jesus
and an Examination of the Early Pagan
and Jewish References to Jesus (2000)" -- relevant items come up #1 and #2 on Google search
Yep. The meister of the Christ myth himself. Back down his hole these days, see where I respond here. The Secular Web must be daft to allow this sort of credibility-destroying stuff on their server.
[hosted by Rosie O'Donnell]
1.3 Richard
Packham
1.3.1
Response to “Packham Refuted”-- comes up fifth on a Google search; first entry is on Secular Web item with link
Wacky Packy tried to take on John Warwick Montgomery's
presentation of the legal evidence for Christianity; I have a critique here which he gave up on answering, and someone else has really laid it on Packham here. Packy was one of the few Skeptics who had the thought to ask me politely for a link -- and I gave him one.
[Hostess Ding-Dongs and Cupcakes]
1.4
Earl Doherty
1.4.1
"The Jesus Puzzle: Was There No Historical Jesus? // The
Sound of Silence: 200 Missing References to the Gospel Jesus in the New
Testament Epistles // Postscript: Including a Response to J.P. Holding’s
rebuttal essay to The Sound of Silence // Link to Reader Feedback -- comes up #1 on Google search
It woulda been a bad year for Earl what with the ossuary of James coming out -- wonder what excuse we'd have on that one? Maybe "sons of Joseph" was also a religious group...my responses may be found at various entries under Doherty's name here.
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by a flock of mosquitos]
1.5 Acharya
S
1.5.1 "Concerning 'J.P. Holding'" -- comes up #3 on Google search
Skeptics who link here can trade in their reputations at the flea market. The Secular Web's Robert Price has called this writer's work "sophormoric" and concludes, "...no one whose disquiet with traditional Christian faith is based on solid fact or credible theorizing will want to recommend this book, much less appeal to it as justification for one's own doubts." By the way, Mojo -- there's no period after the "S" in Acharya S. My response to this here.
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on Mars]
1.6
Cygnus
1.6.1 "Released From the Holding Cell: A Response to the
Apologist, J.P. Holding" -- comes up #1 on Google search
Keep in mind Sam likes my sense of humour. He likes it so much he tries to outdo it by using profanity and making jokes about girls' underwear. The person who first contacted me about him was a 17 year old young lady who was subjected to his disgusting commentary. More recently (summer 2004), Sam came on TWeb one weekend and was banned in less than 48 hours for his filthy language, which seems to be all he can provide as opposed to clever repartee. My responses to Sam still here.
[Hostess with the Mostest]
1.7 Brooks Who?
1.7.1 "Christianity: Bogus Beyond Belief" Hate Sheet on Tekton
Ministries and J.P. Holding
This one wouldn't be hard to find. Look under "boring". Better yet look at this parody of it. See new entry below from tektonics.com, which Brookee has also purchased lately.
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shamelessly by AOL]
1.8 Mojo Jojo
1.8.1 [Holding]'s Software Blunder One of McTill's fans who can't write an actual rebuttal to a Tekton article instead writes a gossip piece on a reference mistake I made and admitted to. Now I wonder if we can get McTill to do the same on B-Greek or on a similar error. Mojo removed these articles (or at least the links to them) from his site for a while, but now having partnered with Brooks Trubee, has put them back.
[hosted
by a frustrated monkey]
1.8.2
[Holding] Blunders Again (and this time, Mojo is really frustrated)
The same fan explains -- several times -- why McTill didn't really err in telling someone that B Greek was the product of ignoramuses, then admits that maybe McTill should have apologized for saying so, which was my entire point. Hello? When he's done with that maybe he can explain that "pay for 90% of my website" gaffe...anyway, my thoughts here.
[hosted
by a banana farmer in Tahiti (racist joke)]
1.9 Allan
Glenn
1.9.1 A Reply to J.P. Holding’s "Allan Glenn’s Questionnaire,
Filled Out Where We Specialize." -- comes up #3 on Google search
Rebellious teenagers taught lessons cheap.
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at the same time as a party]
1.10 Adam
Marczyk (“Ebon Musings”)
1.10.1
A Reply to J.P.Holding -- comes up #3 on Google list
Actually up to 4 parts now, and I gave Ebon a link per a polite request. He's turned ungrateful since, but Skeptics can learn from him, and from his Ebon Boo Boos.
[hosted
by Pee Wee Herman]
1.11 Kenneth
Richard Smith Quinnell, Jr.
1.11.1
Debate with James Patrick Holding -- comes up #1 on Google list
Barney the Dinosaur, aka T. Rex, another McKinsey fan with Jurassic scholarship. My reply here. You get the idea that Mojo uses a barrel scraper for some of these.
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off base]
1.12 C. Farris
McTill
1.12.1
“James Patrick Holding,” the Already-Recognized-
Apologist
C. Farris McTill plays National Enquirer reporter and demonstrates his Laubach reading skills. See my reply here. Want to be apologist? Lee Strobel has mentioned the site on Hank Hanegraaff's show, and I've had 8 articles, soon to be 11, in the Christian Research Journal. When do I stop being a "want to be" then?
[hosted
in Okeefenokee Swamp]
1.12.2 “The
Chicken Challenge: Or [Holding] Paints McTill In Yellow” -- comes up #3 on Google list
McTill tries to hop on a contract offer made 7 years ago under
entirely different circumstances, and cries about it. My reply here.
[hosted
under duress]
1.12.3 “The Skeptical Review Online: Index of McTill Losses”
Now why the heck would anyone be looking for this page directly? Hello? But for some real fun, I now have a parody of McTill's site here. My thanks to Mr. Mojo for the inspiration.
[hosted
by someone who can't spell "disappointed"]
1.12.4
“Reply to [J. P. Holding]” -- comes up #10 on Google list
McTill quit this one on Jehu 2 Kings vs. Hosea in frustration ages ago and used selective quotation as an excuse. My reply here.
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off center]
1.12.5 “Give Us This Day Our Daily Noogie: McTill Versus High Context
My reply here. This is one of those McTill did when he still thought he could tire me out.
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on a round bed]
This is one McTill seemed pretty desperate to get out of, probably because of this. But my
main answer here.
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by a grunge band]
1.12.8
McTill Cracks Like an Egg
My reply exposes McTill's tendency to run into walls associated with secular scholarship that trump normal readings and professional Bible
translators who are unwittingly anachronizing.
[hosted
often enough to not care]
1.12.9
“E-mail”
regarding my no-longer refusal to debate McTill. But see here for some response.
[hosted
off the coast of Cucamunga]
1.12.10
Stars and Stripes Forever
In this little known item which is also little used and mainly useless, McTill attacks a comment I removed from the Jehu-Kings debate years ago in which he commits ad hominem against my scholarly sources. That's so much easier than actually answering their arguments. A few comments here.
[hosted
for the sake of delusional fantasy]
1.12.11 McTill Spits Out His Stuffing
McTill challenges to a debate for the 7,865th time after being told "no". My response here.
[hosted by the Attention Deficit Disorder Foundation]
1.12.12
John Said to Mary
McTill reads the Rez narratives like a news report. Again. My response here.
[hosted
by Mary and John both]
1.12.13
Drooling for Diversions
Frustrated by his inability to answer our articles, McTill argues that Dan Barker can ask for money and I can't, because Dan wears a green sweater and I wear a red one. Response here.
[hosted
by someone who never could get more than 1800 fans and has an analogical impairment]
1.12.14
Try Some Anti-Matter: Till Twists in the Wind Again
In this article, McTill
shoves crass Western literalism down our throats yet again. On this one check out the assists I got on TheologyWeb from two doctoral students Till couldn't keep up with.
[hosted
desperately offline]
1.12.15 Where Are The Links? Right Under McTill's Nose.
I promised to link to all the articles Till wrote while debating various subjects. Till however
has problems finding his own rear end and thinks I've reneged, because he forgot
where I told him to look. In this article I set the brick wall straight. Yeah, right!
Fat chance of that ever happening.
[hosted
by someone still trying to find his socks]
1.12.16
The Brain Cell Shortage.
McTill expresses doubts about the relevance of a lack of paper in the ancient world by
bringing up arguments I already rebutted months before. He sure has problems keeping up.
My response here.
[hosted
by someone now looking for his shoes, and some paper]
1.12.17 Give McTill a Coke and Some Harmony
McTill spits hayseed all over ancient literary practices by whining, "Prove it, prove it, nyah nyah!" My response here.
[hosted
harmoniously]
1.12.18
Mark Five.
McTill yaps at Ben Witherington about
the end of Mark. Next week, he gives advice to Einstein on how to do math. My respose here.
[hosted
by a chihuahua with delusions of grandeur]
1.12.19
Outdate Your Ossuary.
McTill calls a mild endorsement of the James ossuary by me an
"outspoken defense" and proceeds to address a review I wrote months ago. Yep. Real problems
keeping up. My response here.
[hosted
by the John, whose face is flush]
1.12.20
Marduking it Out.
McTill responds to an item here for lack of anything else to do. Response within.
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by the Church of Molech, Peoria, Illinois]
1.13 Doug
Krueger aka Low Context Man
1.13.1 The Great Divorce Debacle
Dougy still has never managed to deal with that he said a position I related from a Jewish scholar was that of someone "not familiar" with the material in question. Yeesh, and this guy MAY be McTill's heir apparent. He sure has one qualification: A hard head. My response here.
[hosted
on toast]
1.14
Richard Carrier
1.14.1 “Richard
Carrier Comments on ‘The Not-So-Impossible Faith’ by "Daffy Duck" in a private e-mail, which actually makes comments I already answered in my original article. Carrier never read it until recently; my reponse to him on that here.
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on the floor]
1.15 Cliff
Walker
1.15.1 “E-mail” in which Cliff Walker,
aka Mr. Peanut, dodges (just in time) answering my actual data arguments
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off and on]
1.16
John P. Kesler
1.16.1 Ishbosheth and the House of Pain Kesler usually has the sense to keep off of unfamiliar turf. He is the most honest of McTill's stable, which leads us to wonder when he'll wise up and join forces with someone else. Anyway, my response to this here, at the bottom.
[hosted
on a boat, hosted with a goat]
1.16.2 Mojo Is Obsessed with Buttocks I mean dang, he mentions them in the titles of at least two articles now...my response here.
[hosted
on top of Mount Smokey, all covered with sand]
1.16.3
Animals of the Last Ark Yep. Answer here and McTill even horns in.
[hosted
on a bed of nails]
1.17
Various Loose Nuts
1.17.1 Who's Kicking My Derriere?
More buttock-obssession by Mojo. Mojo got a bunch of his sour-faced monkey friends to answer my "quiz" for Skeptics. They've ignored it since I added explanatory links, though. For replies look up each guy by name in the Encyclopedia, except Kesler, who is answered by the new link in that question. For a comparison to how an intelligent skeptic would answer the quiz, check this version by Peter Kirby.
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on and on and on and on]
1.18
Roman Piso
1.18.1 Piso Dog Howls Back
Oh, heck, yeah. I'm gonna give you some Mojo hasn't even added. He should like this one since he likes Acharya S, who is only marginally nuttier. My reply here.
[hosted
mostly after dark]
1.19
Wayne "Purple Clouds" Harrington
1.19.1 The Wayne in Spain Falls Directly with a Sprain
Why not give all the nuts equal time? Wayne links to McTill's site, right? So Mojo and TSR gonna reciprocate? McTill will love that purple clouds and mask of Satan stuff. My reply here at bottom.
[hosted
on a neat purple cloud]
1.20
Brooks Trubee Again
Originally another parody attempt, it only seemed to use the design and did not answer anything we'd written. My original counter here. The master of this old version showed up on Theologyweb's forum and after being exposed, has proven he doesn't know my first pseudonym name, or how to spell "turkey" correctly. Brooks bought the domain for smearing purposes and had zero participants in his "forum" for three months until one of my readers stopped by and filled the place with messages. Then it has been quiet again for months and Brookee hasn't updated the place since April '04. See now here.
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1.21
Weirdcrap.com
1.21.1
Weirdcrap.com on Tekton
Just a sentence or two. No arguments.
[hosted with a side of weird crap]
1.22
David Gleeson
1.22.1
Faith Foul Up
Gleeson's an earnest fellow, but in over his head when it comes to the Greco-Roman client-patron relationship. Mojo finally found it, probably with my help. My reply here.
[hosted by the Secular Web, which knows no better]
1.23
Dark Angel aka ACID
1.2.1
"Dark Angel" Defends Acharya S
Mainly, by not spelling her name right and by using the word "BULLSH*T" a lot. I think I ran into this guy once on Beliefnet, and he ran away. Skeptics only wish it was this easy. A reader reports and I have confirmed that this site is now offline, so we will leave this here as a monument to vanished opposition, and as a reason for not giving links to fly-by-night Skeptics.
[hosted by someone who tries to say "bullsh*t" as often as possible]
1.24
Askwhy.co.uk
1.24.1
Askwhy Whines About Pope Leo X
This site's author never names himself, not even with a pseudonym. Here he makes a run at my serious study of the Pope Leo X quote. My answer also at the link.
[hosted, but we didn't ask why]
1.25 Russell C.
McGregor
1.25.1 McGregor Throws the Bull
Mojo really scrapes barrel bottom as he's now welcoming Mormon Russell C. McGregor, not actually of Brigham Young University but an analyst for a livestock company in New Zealand. No link here, because according to my Mormon friends you're supposed to pay for a subscription to FARMS and Mojo is taking advantage of their "honor system" by linking to them. My friends on that side also think McGregor did a subpar job. My reply here, plus some comments from my leading Mormon acquaintance here.
[hosted
by a mad cow]
1.26 Kyle
Gerkin
1.26.1
Holding Underestimated! 
Gerkin has since become an e-friend and ranks as one of the three most intelligent Skeptics I know. Take a hint: He doesn't play Mojo games because he doesn't take himself too seriously. In short, unlike most of these guys, he "gets it" about me. My response here and he and I have a new project here.
1.27 "Heinz" the JW Apologist
1.27.1 "Heinz" on Wisdom, Plus MacEnroe on Good Tennis Manners
Hey, if Mojo wants more than Skeptics, here's another. This JW apologist ends up "refuting" me by providing explanations I agree with. See here for a response.
[hosted door to door]
1.28 Egomanion the Christadelphian Apologist
1.28.1 "Egomanion" on Baptism, Plus Marx on Basketball
This confused case is the McTill of Christadelphian apologetics. His style: 1) Cite outdated sources that 2) merely reassert his original position and then 3) pretend you're above a reply. Cool, huh? My reply here.
[hosted one hundred years ago when his ideas were au curant]
1.29 Vincent Sapone
1.29.1 Sapone's Nitpick Parade
Sapone seems to be an ex-believer with some issues. Here he replies marginally to my article on the birth narratives, mostly by posturing. My reply here.
[hosted in 1 B.C.]
1.30 Dave Whathisname -- Holiday? Hollandaise?
1.30.1 Dave's Cornered Atheist Page
Dave explains why he's too chicken to take me on. My reply here.
[hosted from a corner, eating curds and whey]
1.31 Edgar Jones
A super-fundy explains why Luke 14:26 needs to be read in 21st century language. My reply here.
[hosted without shame]
1.32 Joe "Wally" Wallack
1.32.1 Wally Begs for Help on IIDB
A record of one of Wally's pleas for help in debating me. See the full record of his embarrassment here and here and here.
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1.33 PTET the PEST
1.33.1 PTET Thrummed by Tektonics
On again, off again, on again site that thinks sound bites are a proper response compared to detailed engagement. See my reply to his latest here.
[hosted with a can of Raid]
1.34 "Anonymous"? No...
1.34.1 BeHereNow on Joseph Campbell
Someone passed Mojo BeHereNow's comments anonymously, and like a good respecter of intellectual property rights, Mojo posted it. Too bad they forgot to tell him where it came from, and that I had already replied.
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1.35 Brett Palmer
1.35.1 Brett The Sweaty Palmer on Exodus Numbers
Poor Mojo thinks this is an answer to me. It is actually an "answer" (guffaw) to something Brent Hardaway wrote for me, and defends here.
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1.36 Edski Babinski
Edski pulls the fundy skeleton out of his closet on snakes eatin' dirt. I bite back here.
1.36.2 Edski Runs His Mouth Full Speed
Edski comments on my, um, "theology". Like John MacEnroe commenting on tennis manners. My retort here.
[hosted in the shade]
1.37 Mark Bonocore
Bonocore, who uses my pseudonym as he should, does an imitation of a fundamentalist. Wonder if Brooks or Mojo will want this one. My reply here.
[hosted in Rome]
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