I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb.
One of the hallmarks of the uneducated and incompetent is that they are seldom aware of when they are making fools of themselves. As Kruger and Dunning put it in their article, Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments: "It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense." In what follows we see the efforts of "Voice of Jesus" maestro Edgar "Mr. Ed" Jones to respond to our article here on the use of the word "hate" by Jesus in Luke 14:26. In it he proves himself to be one of Kruger and Dunning's subjects as he wanders through the scary woods of scholarship, sucking his thumb and calling people with more knowledge than him names as he brandishes the club of "You're going to hell, heathen!" in so many words. His tools of the trade: His Bible. An English dictionary. His mouth. All that you need, eh? Per our recent efforts we will comment in italics (since Mr. Ed deigns to put all his own stuff in screaming bold, for whatever reason).
Luke 14:26 is one of the most notable examples of extreme language in the utterances of Jesus, and one that is frequently set forth for comment. I use it here as a typical example of many such utterances that seem so extreme, on first reading, that one is inclined to the immediate response, "He can't mean that!" Actually more like, "What does he mean by that?" Those who say "He can't mean that!" are of the crowd that thinks Jesus preached Wimpiness. We rather observed that Jones was of this sort, but who knows what he'll preach next week after that next round of tacos and burritos. Here is the utterance:You see? He can't mean that, can he? I don't see, but go ahead.
Skeptics love this utterance and interpret it literally because they see it, quite correctly, as contradictory to all the things that Christians promote: love of neighbor, Only if you don't know that "love" means ingroup interest, sorry. But it doesn't matter because they're wrong on both counts. family values, Ditto. But actually God is rated above family quite clearly in the NT and in the Jewishtexts of the day. respect for parents, Not quite, more on this below. and the like. They love it because they see it as showing the absurdity of the teaching of Jesus and the hypocrisy of Christian doctrine that touts family values in the name of such a teacher. They tend to see Jesus as meaning exactly what he said and don't question this evaluation. To do so would not serve their agenda. He has that much right, but Skeptics are quite obvious people at times.
Christians hate this utterance and wish to high heaven it would go away! They do? I haven't met one yet, sorry. Maybe Mr. Ed meets them after a few stiff drinks, but I don't. So, to this end, they do all in their power to keep it out of sight and hearing. Really? How? Do they go into libraries and erase it from Bibles? Sorry, haven't seen that conspiracy lately. Maybe Mr. Ed is paranoid. But there it is! Yep, there it is. They are forced, by questioning parishioners, to visit it. Oh. Maybe Mr. Ed had this experience and assumed it was universal. Therefore many have sought to soften the language by classifying it as a rhetorical device. They explain that Jesus does not mean exactly what he says, but is using extreme language only to stress a point, typical of the ancient oriental or Near Eastern mindset that tended to see things as either black or white. It is, they say, an case of Semitic hyperbole. I doubt if anyone else Mr. Ed consulted ever said this, since knowledge of Semitic language nuances is about as prominent as knowledge of quasars. You guessed it, he's about to refer to ME, and he's definitely going to make a darnedfool of himself doing it. Watch:
What? Don't ask me. I had to go look it up; you can too! Us redneck (one word) country good ol' boys don't have much use for such words. Yup. "I is dum and I is prowd of it." Yep. (Spit tobacco juice out truck window, forgetting window ain't open.) Mr. Ed goes on to evaluate a position offered by Dodd that thinks that Luke 14:26 was just for the people Jesus was talking to at the time. Nice try, but it does indeed not work. We'll skip that and go right to where Mr. Ed shows his teeth and starts braying about what I have to say:
Another Christian position, one that softens the language I.e., contextualizes it, is that of one who publishes on the Web under the name of James Patrick Holding, who has an article on Luke 14:26 on his Web site, tektonics.org. OK, you can ask me, even though I did have to go look it up as usual. Good grief! Mr. Ed would have to check his own drivers' license to know his name was Ed. Tekton is the New Testament Greek word, used only twice, to define the occupation of Joseph and Jesus, where it is usually translated carpenter. It has more general meanings, such as a handworker, a worker in wood, one who assembles things, a craftsman. It is a word that Mr. Holding well applies to his site, crafty as he is! Ba da bum, bing! Mr. Ed's clever pun for the day and he only had to strain a little for it. Give him a lolly.
Since I have mentioned Mr. Holding, I probably should also recognize the honor he has accorded by referring to me directly in at least six different pages on his site. Wow, six pages out of over 1200 at that time. Yeah, that's an honor Mr. Ego Jones must be rolling on the floor over, telling all his friends, wetting his pants, parading half-nekkid in the street with posters, the whole nine yards. If a reader had not asked me to look at his work, that wouldn't have happened, though. He has one long paper with an addendum dedicated specifically to my critique of Paul, in which he contends that I am lacking in scholarship. Thank you, Mr. Holding! Let there be no misconceptions here, for I would be ashamed to be a scholar. I consider this one of the greatest compliments. It is very gratifying to know my non scholar status shows! You heard it there, folks. "I is wants to be dumb. I is prowd to be dumb. Pass de hammer so I can hits mahself on de skull." WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM. "Thank yew, that feels much beter." The great part is I don't need to actually respond when Mr. Ed admits to this sort of thing outright. It'll drive everyone away from him EXCEPT those equally dumb, who are no more than Ed clones to begin with.
Mr. Holding subscribes to the view that Luke 14:26 is best understood as one of those examples of extreme language not to be taken literally, but as hyperbole. This may correct my first impression of him, which was surely in error. I had thought that he might be a rather pompous individual, based on his tendency to use the full name, James Patrick Holding, in bylines. Yeah, man, this is one paranoid dewd. Use a middle name and you're pompous. Excuse me, "pompous" ain't no redneck word, Mistuh Jones, you pompus jirk. Where u get off usin' such langwige, Mistuh Hi an' Mighty and Full O' Yoself? Where I come from, we seldom are that formal (except at funerals), preferring to refer to our good ol' boys by terms of endearment such as Billy Bob. And we uns likes to study the By-bul, too. (spit) But now, I see that James Patrick Holding is only a rhetorical device, and will henceforth refer to him as Jimmy Pat. My apologies, Jimmy Pat, for misjudging you. No worries, Mr. Ed. It actually is somewhat rhetorical in nature; the intonation of the multisyllabic combination of the elements is intended to elevate the sensitivities of the aural minoriting functions of the brain. Meanwhile I also have misjudged you; you are indeed less intelligent, less informed, and less sensible than I realized, so we will hereafter refer to you as "Mr. Ed." Can you guess why? Have some oats. Now back to our subject, and we begin by asking:
1. Did Jesus use hyperbole?
Dumb question. Of course he did. But Mr. Ed needs to say something about it because it worries his little head. Watch: For all who need to look it up and haven't done so, Yep, if yew ain't familler with de word "hiper-bowl." (spit) Whut is that? Ain't that there big football game they gots in Januwary? this simply asks if Jesus deliberately exaggerated for any reason. It would be easy to answer "No" because then I don't have more explaining to do. Jesus simply said exactly what he meant, always! But if I answer "Yes" other questions pop up. Often? Sometimes? When? Hard questions! Press the panic button! Bzzt!
This question reveals a major implication, because the very asking of it means that the questioner is open to the thought that Jesus did not always mean what he said Horrors Zounds! Whoops! No, Mr. Ed, not "did not always mean what he said" but rather "said what he meant using words filled with a different semantic context". None of the worrywart "didn't mean what he said" nonsense. Hyperbole is not "saying what you don't mean". No one who says "there are a dozen flies buzzing between Mr. Ed's ears" could possibly be accused of saying, "You didn't mean that." What semantic absurdity.. Thus, it suggests a possibility of misunderstanding that, if real, is highly significant because Jesus made eternal life conditional on hearing, understanding, and believing his Word. Yep, just slap that panic button a few times, "How do we know that Jesus wasn't using hyperbole when he said" such and such. Contextual study is a good answer, but we don't even need it this time. Watch: For example:
This becomes problematic if my word is sometimes an exaggeration that we take literally in a serious effort to receive and believe that Word. How is one accountable to hear and believe when what is stated is not what is meant? Stupid question. Hyperbole is a function of adjectives and adjectival words and phrases or nouns used in an adjectival way. You can't "hyperbole" a noun like "my word" not least because there is no "less hyperbolic" option it could possibly stand for. Like what? "He who hears some of my word?" This is the best "panic button" Mr. Ed could think of to press. Luke 14:26 is a good example of such utterances, because if one does not do what is stated there, i.e., exercise hate towards certain persons and one's own life, one does not even qualify to be a disciple, not to speak of failing to qualify for eternal life! There's that bludgeon of, "You'd better do what it says or you'll go to hell!" A little scare tactics to support a weak case. Unless, of course, this consequence, i.e., cannot be my disciple, also is hyperbole! Sorry, but "cannot be my disciple" is not adjectival in nature. There is no literalness that "cannot be my disciple" could "hyperbole" for. You see, therefore, where it leads when one opens one's mind to the thought that Jesus sometimes spoke hyperbolically, not meaning exactly what he said. In short, Mr. Ed flushes his toliet to distract us, making it sound like there is some hidden motive for this interpretation. It's called "poisoning the well" and it is the tactic of the fearful and miseducated.
But if he did so speak on occasion -- if, mind you, not granting anything at this point -- then, as I see it, he could do so justifiably only on one of three grounds. I.e., two arbitrary guidelines Mr. Ed pulled out of his hat, plus one that makes sense. They are:
1. Either he must explain immediately that he is exaggerating, or Gee, and which of us does this when we use hyperbole? We don't need to, because it is almost always contextually obvious. My article proved that it was so, but we'll see how Mr. Ed tries to finagle his way around that shortly.I don't see the first option as real because I don't recall Jesus saying anything to the effect that what he has just said is an exaggeration. As noted, this is not what people do to begin with. Arbitrary requirement. This leaves us with two different ways of understanding a saying as being obvious. Either it is obviously an exaggeration, or it is obviously not an exaggeration as indicated by the supporting words in the context that follow.
2. It must be obvious exaggeration, It's quite obvious with contextual study. More, again, shortly. or
3. He must proceed immediately to press the point in such a way as to make it obvious that the statement is not an exaggeration. This is also never done normally when a person uses hyperbole. In short, Mr. Ed drew his own guidelines so as to make sure he didn't have to ever argue.
So, did Jesus use hyperbole?
I can give no other answer because he did, in fact, utilize obvious exaggeration. Oh, yeah? Let's play the Mr. Ed game, shall we? Here is an example:
It is not possible for a left hand to "know" anything. The thought is absurd because it rests on an obvious impossibility. He is exaggerating for effect, and it does get the point across very well, which is that one is to give alms very secretively, as with prayer and fasting. Ha! Mr. Ed, you are a liar and you are going to the deepest pit in hell where you will burn for eternity. How dare you! Can't you see that this is meant literally? Jesus is telling us that our hands and different parts of their body have minds of their own. You've seen that French guy who makes his hand into a puppet, right? Ha! Little do YOU know, you heathen, that's really his hand talking! What? Don't tell me that it's physically impossible; your body parts communicate by thought waves! Nyah nyah! Off to hell with you, liar! Here is another example:
It is not possible for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. The thought is absurd because it rests on an obvious impossibility. He is exaggerating for effect, and it gets the point across very well, which is that it is not at all easy for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. It is very, very hard! Don't be stupid. You're going to hell! You CAN get a camel through the eye of a needle if you work hard to cut it into teensy-weensy pieces! Mr. Ed, you're the devil himself! How dare you fluff up the words of our Savior! Biblical literalists have contrived many devices to impart a literal meaning to this utterance, including the invention of a city gate, called The Eye of the Needle, that a camel could barely get through by means of much pushing and squeezing. This last dodge I recall hearing first from a professor of NT Interpretation at Southern Baptist Seminary in 1948. He's going to hell, too, ha!
As I said above, a positive answer to this question opens a Pandora's Box of other questions. I.e., it makes unschooled worrywarts like Mr. Ed nervous. It does indeed -- beginning with the obvious one relative to our text.
2. Does Jesus use hyperbole in Luke 14:26?
Look again at the utterance and we will see that this is an appropriate question:
If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.Surely, he didn't mean that? No, again, more like, "What did he mean?"
Yes, the question is appropriate. This utterance contains one word, hate, that is obvious extreme language, applied as it is, and appears furthermore to be a gross contradiction when compared with the heavy emphasis of Jesus on love, for he elsewhere commands all his disciples to love God, love their neighbors, and even to love their enemies. Then, suddenly we have it here that one must hate all those who are closest to us or one cannot even become a disciple! As noted, Mr. Ed defines "love" wrong but it makes no difference here. No, that cannot be; therefore the Christians have long been busy explaining that this is hyperbole -- extreme language -- that must be softened before it can be taken seriously. More cheap attempts to descend with the "you're going to hell" club.
Before we examine it in greater detail, it will be useful to expose you to a typical Christian conclusion. Typical my patoot. Ain't no one else on the Net who appeals to the contexts on this verse as deeply as I have. It is that of our friend, Jimmy Pat, taken from his page on this very subject of extreme language and Luke 14:26. He has studied very carefully and derived this from his usual conscientious application of impeccable scholarship In case you haven't guessed, he's trying to be sarcastic. Like Jed Clampett on aeodymanics.:
There we have it! Not all of it. He only quotes one paragraph and alludes to the rest. Read it all here. Scholarship rules the day! It sure as heck beats ignorance. Jimmy Pat has examined the meaning of the word, hate. Good idea, isn't it? He has researched the ancient secular texts for examples; Also OT texts. he has read the literature on the subject, all by respectable scholars (or at least one) One is all that's needed if the conclusion is correct. But others have said the same thing. Caird is the most detailed. , and has arrived at the only correct conclusion he's trying to be sarcastic again, which is that Luke 14:26, in its use of "hate," is a rhetorical device -- an example of extreme language, or Semitic hyperbole, characteristic of ancient Semites. And now, Mr. Ed will proceed to show that -- what? Ancient Semites did not use hyperbole? "Hate" was not used hyperbolically in the examples I gave? What do you think?
Another example cited by critics is Luke 14:26, in which Jesus tells us that we must "hate" others for the sake of the Gospel. Critics want to read this as literal hate; we reply by identifying such sayings as containing a rhetorical emphasis, not referring to literal hate. And in fact, such rhetorical emphasis typifies ancient and even modern Semitic cultures. G. B. Caird, in The Language and Imagery of the Bible [110ff], notes the frequent use of hyperbole among Semitic peoples, and notes that "its frequent use arises out of a habitual cast of mind" which tends to view matters in extremes, or as we would say, "black and white." The Semitic mindset is dogmatic, and despises doubt; things are either one way or another, and there is no room for introspection. (If I may venture a social comment, it is not hard to see this sort of mindset emerging from all of the monotheistic faiths, including Islam in particular.) As a result, statements like Luke 14:26 are simply typical of this mindset that encourages extreme forms of expression.
Now, wait just a minute here, Jimmy Pat! Whassup, Mr. Ed? I see no evidence that you have investigated context, Gee! So how the surrounding culture acted and spoke, how the word was used by others, ISN'T context. Brilliant. have given adequate attention to the other uses to which Jesus put this word, None is needed. By the note given, such words of extremity are subject to shades of meaning, regardless of where they are. or have checked to see if it meets the two tests of hyperbole that are obviously required in the special case of utterances of Jesus (see above). "Obviously required"! Mr. Ed makes these rules up on the spot in his own mind and expects us to bow and scrape to his arbitrary designation of them as "obviously required"! You won't find these "tests" requiring explanations in any book on linguistics or language -- they're just made up by Mr. Ed on the spot. The only one that is ever used to detect hyperbole is the one that it is "obvious" -- and that is plain inasmuch as 1) it is OBVIOUS one cannot hate and love as the commands require, simultaneously; 2) a person who fully and literally "hated" his own life would kill himself! If Mr. Ed is right here, this means Jesus advocated suicide!
The first of these tests, mandated Mr. Ed, the mandate maker!, as you may recall, by Jesus having made the acceptance of his Word the prime condition for eternal life, is that, if it is hyperbole and not meant to be taken literally, then (1) this must be obvious from the nature of the statement, or if it is not hyperbole, then (2) this must be obvious from Jesus' subsequent explanation.
Luke 14:26 fails the first test for hyperbole because it is not, in itself, an obvious exaggeration. It is, based on the above. You can't hate and love others simultaneously. You can't hate and obey Jesus' commands simultaneously. You can't hate yourself and still be standing upright. Mr. Ed knows this, and wait and see how he tries to weasel out of the very "clear meaning" he tries to bop me for not admitting to! That is, it is not impossible as stated, for it is easy to conceive of circumstances where hate might be correctly applied to the relations listed. While you show love, per the commands, as well? Nice try. So the "Good Samaritan" actually hated the guy he helped. Therefore, the question is still open Therefore, Ed's brain is on the fritz and we must Must! Move, you hellbound puppies, Mr. Ed says so! move on to the second test: Did Jesus proceed immediately to press the point in such a way as to make it obvious that the statement is not an exaggeration? Another arbitrary test from the mind of Mr. Ed.
To pursue this question we need to examine the subsequent utterances that continue from Luke 14:26. We put it all together here:
Indeed, he does proceed immediately to explain himself. But his explanation, far from revealing hyperbole or making its use obvious as this test requires, presses home and reinforces the extreme language of Luke 14:26! Yep, with even more hyperbole and figures of speech! Watch this: It means,
 If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
 For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?
 Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him,
 saying, `This man began to build, and was not able to finish.'
 Or what king, going to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and take counsel whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand?
 And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends an embassy and asks terms of peace.
 So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.
Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.One of the objects of the hate listed in 14:26 is this:
If any one comes to me and does not hate . . . yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.We have learned from Jesus' crucifixion that one does not take up a cross, willingly, if one loves ones life, because the cross will take that life! This is a powerful reinforcement of the literal application of hate in 14:26. Hold on a second, Mr. Ed, you hellraiser! You're passing right over the literal truth! Luke 14:27 REQUIRES us to take up crosses and walk around with them! And that means only me and that guy who walks around the country with that cross on a wheel is going to heaven -- and he's getting the cheap seats beceause he uses a wheel! So get down to the Ace Hardware and buy some wooden beams, you loser! Er, what? NOW you say this is not meant literally? Burn in hell, Satan! As if this might not be sufficient explanation to render the saying obviously literal, Been to Ace Hardware yet? WELL? Jesus then continued to relate two brief parables HOLD IT! No such things as parables. They're all meant literally. Don't even try it! to the effect that it is vain and unwise to enter into any demanding commitment without first counting the cost, such as building a tower, or going to war. It is better not to make such a commitment than, having made it, to find that one is unwilling to pay the price -- and Jesus has just related, in 14:26, the precise terms of the price. So these two parables provide even further reinforcements of the literal rendering of 14:26! Watch Mr. Ed chase himself in circles! We'd have to count the cost whether "hate" is meant literally OR hyperbolically (as in "love less"). In short 14:28-32 don't "reinforce" dip for Mr. Ed.
Finally, Jesus drives the nail home with resounding finality "You're going to hell if you don't listen!" , summing everything included in 14:26 in one brief statement that can leave no doubt whatever as to his intent in 14:26:
So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.Parents, wife, children, brothers and sisters, one's own life . . . everything comes under that comprehensive expression, all that he has. Psst! Mr. Ed! Are you naked right now? WHAT? Then you haven't "forsaken" all that you have. What? Are you using a computer? Forsake it! You use software? Forsake it! You live in a house? It's outta here! Money in your wallet? Give it away! Go shiver in a corner! No exuses! Huh, what do you mean that's not literal advice?! Go burn in hell, tool of the devil!
So it is clear -- Jesus follows the proclamation of 14:26 with not one, not two, not three, but four confirmations of his literal intent in 14:26. Correct as far as: Not one. Not two. Not three. This utterance absolutely fails the second test of hyperbole, i.e., Mr. Ed's arbitrary test for instead of explaining it in a way that makes it an obvious hyperbole, he has quadruply reinforced it! I.e., with two more examples of hyperbole and two parabolic illustrations that would be the same anyway. Thank you, Mr. Ed! What is absolutely obvious is that Jesus does not intend us to see this as hyperbolic language. It's absolutely obvious that Mr. Ed sure as heck ain't running around the country naked carrying a cross. Why not?
So you see, Jimmy Pat, how your scholarship, in this case, leads you away from Jesus, not to him; how it veils the Truth rather than revealing it? I see how it turns little nuts like Mr. Ed into peanut butter, sure do. This is surely included in what Jesus indicated when he uttered this little thanksgiving:
Matt.11This is a matter of major concern because you have sought to "soften" a saying of the Lord that he has emphatically affirmed in its hard form. This is equivalent to unbelief, not only of an utterance of Jesus, but of the Father who sent Jesus to utter it. Yada yada yada, burn in hell, apostate! Mr. Ed rambles on for a few lines with talk like this, and we'll skip the turn or burn sermon, and move to:
 At that time Jesus declared, I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to babes; Heck yeah. Mr. Ed pulls the wool out and claims to be a "babe" and puffs up in pride over his ignorance. Sorry to disappoint, but in Jesus' day the "wise and learned" were not scholars like Caird, but the very people who oppressed others with their knowledge of the law. With that "wise and learned" comes a context that restricts it to certain persons of certain types -- not any old "wise and learned" person. If that were so, then Paul would never have been called, and neither would have Matthew.
3. Isn't this a contradiction?
Addressing now the general reader I.e., moving now to the next contrived explanation, We yet have a difficult saying to accept and believe. It is (once accepted as being not a case of hyperbole) an apparent contradiction to the heavy emphasis of Jesus on love throughout his teachings. Apparent! It's so obvious that Farrell Till doesn't even need glasses to see it. If Jesus was thus subject to self contradiction, then we have another whole host of problems to deal with before we can establish his credibility and the truth of this utterance. Can it be that the Christians, such as Jimmy Pat, who are offended at the thought of taking this utterance, Doesn't offend me in the least, Mr. Ed. I'm out for the truth. You're out to preserve your view of the world and keep your head tucked in the sand. Luke 14:26, literally as stated because of the apparent contradiction, and the skeptics, who love to take it literally because it confirms for them the contradiction, both be erring because they misunderstand?
Here is the supposed contradiction in brief as drawn from the Logos. We begin with a presentation of the essential utterances of the Lord.
 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
 And he said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
 This is the great and first commandment.
 And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
 On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets. You have heard that it was said, `You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'Here for comparison is Luke 14:26 again:
 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. .
If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.These words do not help to resolve the contradiction, do they? No, they only appear to reinforce it! They DO reinforce it. Period. Even Till could see that. So, let us go on to the next step, which is to look at the meaning of the individual NT Greek verbs rendered into English as hate and love. The base words are miseo and agapao. From Thayer1 we obtain the following definitions Waitaminit! Thayer is a scholar! He's wise and learned! Drop that lexicon and get out your KJV, you Satanist!!:
miseo - To hate, to pursue with hatred, to detest. . . . Not a few interpreters have attributed to misein in . . . Luke 14:26; . . . the signification to love less, to postpone in love or esteem, to slight, through oversight of the circumstance that ' the Orientals, in accordance with their greater excitability, are wont both to feel and to profess love and hate where we Occidentals, with our cooler temperament, feel they express nothing more than interest in or disregard and indifference to a thing.'There is not much help here, is there? Not at all, cuz Thayer just said the same danged thing I and Caird did! Thanks, Mr., Ed! Except to note that Thayer is careful to include the reference to hyperbole in an effort to soften the language that I have already shown cannot be legitimately softened. Yep, with arbitrary "tests" -- got naked yet, Mr. Ed? This would be the seemingly obvious resolution to the problem because of a similar utterance from Matthew:
 He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;We have at least three very good reasons for rejecting this association. These are:
 and he who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Dadblame! Proves my point, don't it? Watch Mr. Ed spin:
1. This softens the language of Luke 14:26 that we have already seen should not be softened because Jesus proceeded to stress the literal application of the extreme language. Chase yourself in that circle, Mr. Ed!My conclusion is that Jesus used both utterances in his teaching, and that Matthew failed to record the strong one, probably because it was also offensive to him. Now we're into long distance psychology as we beg the question! Luke did not record the weak one of Matthew, probably because he observed that Matthew had already preserved it. But Luke did not omit the strong utterance because, as an honest historian, he could not conscientiously bring himself to omit what his sources assured him was a valid saying of the Lord. So Matthew and Mark were liars? Cool! Mr. Ed just keeps dumping it on himself more and more. More likely: It's just the same reason Luke varies from Mark and Matthew -- all three chose certain teachings to highlight based on themes, available material, and what others had already written.
2. These utterances from Matthew 10 and Luke 14 are not parallel recordings of the same utterance. Whuh? Whuh? What happened to all that whinging about "context"? Don't Jesus' own words act as a context for his own words??? Matthew's comes during the early Galilean ministry, whereas Luke's comes during the later period of transition from Galilee to Judea. Right on! Jesus changed his attitude because of geography!
3. Luke wrote after Matthew and probably had Matthew as one of his sources. He is very unlikely to have changed the language of Matthew 10:37- 38 to his extreme form if he did not have adequate confirmation. He probably didn't change it, no -- but the words of Jesus put together clarify themselves. The literal application of this would have been as offensive to Luke as it is to modern Christians. This from Mr. Ed, who waves off study of the culture and what people would think at this time!
If we seek support for either saying from Mark, we are disappointed. He omitted both. Interestingly, however, the extra canonical Gospel of Thomas records the strong utterances only (Logia 55 and 101) -- twice! Chorus: "So what?" GThom is dependent on the Gospels. We can safely conclude that a comparison of Luke 14:26 with other similar utterances of the Lord in other gospels does not resolve the seeming contradiction, but rather reinforces it. Nah, it just makes more clear what is being said. Mr. Ed has it glass-backwards, as usual, because he assumes everyone in the first century thought like he does.
Can we be misunderstanding the English word, hate? Does it carry an alternate definition that permits it use without contradicting love? If we are, it makes not a dang-dinged bit of difference. The Greek word is what tells us stuff. The English word from medieval times at best tells us zip about what it meant in the first century in Greek. But watch Mr. Ed fudge anyway:
This from the Merriam-Webster Collegiate:Well! That certainly does not help. Nope, it takes Mr. Ed to the cleaners. Time for another dodge. But while we are checking definitions of the English words, could we relieve the seeming contradiction by finding some less strong definition of love? In English? No. Watch this:
Main Entry: hate
Inflected Form(s): hat·ed; hat·ing
Date: before 12th century
1 : to feel extreme enmity toward <hates his country's enemies>
2 : to have a strong aversion to : find very distasteful <hated to have to meet strangers> <hate hypocrisy>
intransitive senses : to express or feel extreme enmity or active hostility
- hat·er noun
- hate one's guts : to hate someone with great intensity
synonyms HATE, DETEST, ABHOR, ABOMINATE, LOATHE .
This from the Merriam-Webster CollegiateI can't speak for you, but this doesn't resolve the problem for me. It wouldn't anyway; as noted he has the definition wrong there too. Is there anything else we can do that might resolve this contradiction? I.e., any other excuses we can contrive?
Main Entry: love
Inflected Form(s): loved; lov·ing
Date: before 12th century
1 : to hold dear : CHERISH
2 a : to feel a lover's passion, devotion, or tenderness for b (1) : CARESS (2) : to fondle amorously (3) : to copulate with
3 : to like or desire actively : take pleasure in <loved to play the violin>
4 : to thrive in <the rose loves sunlight>
intransitive senses : to feel affection or experience desire
It may help to examine how Jesus used the word, miseo in other contexts. Here is a listing of the other cases found in Luke; you may, if you wish, check out the other gospels. I do not list them here because I have checked and find nothing that differs significantly from Luke. For the sake of brevity, they are omitted.
 Blessed are you when men hate you, and when they exclude you and revile you, and cast out your name as evil, on account of the Son of man!
 Rejoice in that day, and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven; for so their fathers did to the prophets.
 But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. He who is faithful in a very little is faithful also in much; and he who is dishonest in a very little is dishonest also in much.
 If then you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will entrust to you the true riches?
 And if you have not been faithful in that which is another's, who will give you that which is your own?
 No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
 Calling ten of his servants, he gave them ten pounds, and said to them, `Trade with these till I come.'
 But his citizens hated him and sent an embassy after him, saying, `We do not want this man to reign over us.'
 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict.
 You will be delivered up even by parents and brothers and kinsmen and friends, and some of you they will put to death;
 you will be hated by all for my name's sake.
If this resolves the contradiction for you, yours is a different reading than mine. I only see confirmation for the strongest form of miseo without any resolution of the contradiction. Gee whiz. First of all, if there is a hyperbolic sense, there is also a literal sense; that's sure possible to see in these cases, where there is no obvious counter-referent. Luke 16 however is an example of extremism and hyperbole. Such extremes would be the product of a schozophrenic mind! We even see hate juxtaposed with love in two of the above utterances. It is very interesting to note that in this last reference from Luke 21, we find the hatred applied again in reference to the family members, but in the opposite direction -- the parents and brothers and kinsmen and friends are the ones hating the disciples to the ultimate extent, so that they will even put them to death. We are yet left with the strongest form of hate in the utterance of Luke 14:26! Oh! So per the reactions that go with "hate" above, we might even go as far as kill our family members to be disciples. Will Mr. Ed ever get himself out of this pickle? One more try, and we'll see he runs the full gamut of decontextualization:
Do not despair! There is yet at least one question we can investigate to resolve this and I will reveal beforehand that it does, indeed, resolve the apparent contradiction. Yes, Jesus said exactly what he meant in Luke 14:26. He also has not contradicted himself.
4. How did Jesus apply this teaching to himself?
We simply examine how Jesus applied this teaching of hatred for family members, and one's own life, to himself. Did Jesus always carry a cross and run around naked? No? Then he's no good, either! Hypocrite! Is he not our example? We can derive this from the following excerpts from the gospels. So we shift now from an examination of the meaning of the words, which we have found to be fruitless, to an examination of how Jesus applied this teaching to himself. There are two things to consider, implicit in Luke 14:26, which is family members on one hand, and one's own life on the other.
a) Application to the Relationship, Father
We begin by examining the family members of Jesus and his attitude towards them. We have these utterances that are relevant specific to the father Uhhh, hold on a second! Jesus' Father was GOD! So that means if he didn't hate God, he's a hypocrite! Bzzt!:
 And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him;
 And when they saw him they were astonished; and his mother said to him, "Son, why have you treated us so? Behold, your father and I have been looking for you anxiously."
 And he said to them, How is it that you sought me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father's house?This earliest utterance, when Jesus was only twelve, shows that, at this young age, he understood that God is his Father and Joseph is not his father. He is rejecting a father - son relationship with Joseph and claiming, instead, this very bond to God. This is "hate"? No, sorry -- it is indeed a distancing from his putative parents, but news flash for Mr. Ed -- warning, scholar ahead -- this was the sort of distance that was NORMAL for a young boy of 12 to practice as he began the process of separating himself from his kin group and beginning a new one -- in most cases, a marriage and family, but here of course, disciples (Malina and Rohrbaugh, Social Science commentary, 299). Either way, this is NOT literal "hate" by any defintion. If anything it would be the nuanced meaning I've been saying is behind Luke 14:26 from the get-go and that Mr. Ed has been condemning me to hell for offering!
The Hebrew nation was defined by a common descent from father Abraham. The gospels of Matthew and Luke put Jesus in this line of descent also, which makes him, as all born Jews, seed of Abraham and Abraham his father. But Jesus rejected this relationship:
This was a subtle way of stating that Abraham was not his father, for if he preceded Abraham, he could not be a son of Abraham nor Abraham his father. A "subtle" way? So subtle it doesn't exist. This does not deny Jesus' human ancestry (which IS stressed in the Gospels of Matt and Luke) and has nothing to do with it at all. Nor does it sound like "hate". Mr. Ed is still giving examples that match MY understanding! He'd be better off excusing Luke 14:26 as interpolated by Paul or an alien from space.
The gospels would have us believe that Jesus was in a direct line of descent from David, and thus as a son of David, was qualified to be the Messiah. But this means that David was his father from generations earlier. Jesus also rejected this relationship:
 But he said to them, How can they say that the Christ is David's son?Jesus rejects the relationship of son of David, hence also David as his father, being that he is himself the Christ (messiah). Bzzzt. Wrong answer. Jesus didn't "reject" anything here; this was a form of rabbinic riddle [Keener, Matthew commentary, 532ff] in which Jesus presented a puzzle asking how David's Lord could also be his son -- the answer being, "In me, who is both." If anything Jesus affirms, not denies, his Davidic ancestry.
 For David himself says in the Book of Psalms, `The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand,
 till I make thy enemies a stool for thy feet.'
 David thus calls him Lord; so how is he his son?
On the other hand, Jesus identified God as his Father many times, always identifying his Father as being in heaven. This is typical:
Jesus rejected Joseph, David, and Abraham as his father, always maintaining instead that his Father is the one in heaven! Jesus rejected a relationship to Joseph, David and Abraham; he did not reject the men. We see elsewhere that he honored David and Abraham. It was a specified relationship that he rejected, while identifying God in heaven as the only valid party to that relationship. Oops, them he didn't "hate" them at all, sorry -- unless Mr. Ed admits that "hate" is exactly as "powerful" as I said it is, used hyperbolically. He didn't hate Mary and Joseph so that he'd even want to kill them. He didn't run away from home. He didn't even meet Abe and David. What kind of "hate" is this? And he didn't hate the Father, which if we take those instructions in Luke 14:26 absoutely literally, he should have.
 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.
b) Application to Mother, Brother, and Sister
How did he identify other family members that appear in Luke 14:26?
This is an easy one!
Both Mary and her other sons, his sibling brothers, had come to speak to him but, when he heard it, he rejected their status of mother and brothers by identifying other parties, not only as mother and brothers, but as sisters as well! Nope, sorry, wrong answer. None of this is "hate". In fact it is a matter of priority as we have already stated. Note that one must "hate" such people as Mr. Ed says and it makes no exception for if they are believers. Nor does it mean you make no provision -- John 19:26 was an example how Jesus was sure this mother of his, whom Mr. Ed thinks Jesus "hated," was provided for and honored after his death. And below, Mr. Ed quotes this very verse and doesn't see a problem!
 And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, Here are my mother and my brothers!
 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Jesus did not marry and bear children, thus he had no wife, son or daughter by which to make comparisons here. But there is no reason to place their relationships in a different category from the other relatives according to the flesh. He did not recognize any of these as being valid relationships. He rejected all of them! "Rejected" to what extent? Not to the extent of hate. Let's remember what miseo means if we take it literally: to detest. Any "detesting" so far? None. Preference, yes. Priority, yes. Detesting? Not a hint. Now watch this dodgeball:
c) Objection: Jesus affirmed the commandment to honor father and mother! How could he reject them?
Yes, and he did so repeatedly. But what did he mean by "honor?"
What did Moses mean by it? Let us look to the Fifth Commandment for a clue:
 Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which the LORD your God gives you.The reason for the commandment was to extend one's days on the earth. This commandment was given to institute elder care, thus extending the days of the aged. Now, how did Jesus understand this commandment?
 And he said to them, You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God, in order to keep your tradition!"In the rabbinic literature, corban can mean a form of oath that turns whatever it is applied to into a cultic offering no longer suitable for its normal purpose. . . .. Jesus knew this view. In the controversy with the scribes and Pharisees, he accuses them of declaring such oaths binding even when they conflicted with one's legal duties toward parents, thus placing their tradition higher than the commandments of the Mosaic Law."(Etiene Trochme in the Oxford Companion to the Bible.) Put that down! Trochme is a scholar! Mr. Ed is a hypocrite!
 For Moses said, `Honor your father and your mother'; and, `He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die';
 but you say, `If a man tells his father or his mother, What you would have gained from me is Corban' (that is, given to God) --
 then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
 thus making void the word of God through your tradition which you hand on. And many such things you do.
It becomes clear that, for Jesus as well as for Moses, to honor father and mother means to provide for them material means when they can no longer provide for themselves. In that case, he didn't "hate" them. Come on now! Is Mr. Ed going to say that people who "hated" Christians were also people who would provide for their material means?!?
Did Jesus do this for Mary?
 When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, Woman, behold, your son!Jesus thus honored "his mother." He absolutely rejected her relationship to him as mother, but then, having no material means of his own, he found a way to honor her according to the Law. So you can "hate" and "honor" at the same time? Wow! Mr. Ed doesn't see the problem! Repeat after me: "Mutually exclusive options"!
 Then he said to the disciple, Behold, your mother! And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
Jesus coupled the Fifth Commandment with another admonition from Moses:
He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die;We are therefore justified in the conclusion that thus to speak evil of one's forebears is not to honor them. Two things therefore are covered by the concept of honoring father and mother: provision for their latter years, and speaking no evil of them. There is no intention of Jesus to involve his disciples in anything more than these two things while the relationship of father and mother he has absolutely denied to them. He hates the relationships! Great! But since hate DOES mean you go as far as to kill people, you can go as far as killing your parents as long as you don't speak evil of them or give them material care while they're alive. Isn't that a pile of schizophrenia! Sorry, but Mr. Ed has just clapped his own bear trap on his own behind. Luke 14:26 says hate these people, period. Not "the relationships you have with them" but the people. End of story. Mr. Ed, you want smoking or non-smoking in Hades?
d) Is there a confirmation of this from the example of Jesus?
Yes, one need only take note of the manner in which Jesus addressed Mary:
John.2  And Jesus said to her, O woman, what have you to do with me? My hour has not yet come.You see? Had he thought of her as his mother, he would surely have addressed her as such. Instead he used the very impersonal word, woman Not a thing impersonal about it, as noted above. that he applied to all other unnamed women whom he directly addressed. I.e., it showed public respect. He never so much as once addressed her as "Mother." A grown man would not in this day. To do so suggested you were a "momma's boy." You can check this out if you wish!
Finally, there is one other confirmation that we can apply. It is in this transaction:
 As he said this, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, "Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts that you sucked!"Long I pondered this utterance. Why did the Holy Spirit preserve it in the gospels? I.e., "How could I twst and mangle it to serve my purposes?" Surely there were more significant utterances that were not recorded, or had I missed something? That's the truth! This seems an unjustified put down if ever there was one! Not in the least. In the ancient world compliments were aggressive and were an honor challenge. Jesus here reacts properly, deflecting the compliment. When we think of the billions of poor and misled Catholics through the centuries who have said their Hail Mary's that call for Mary's blessing as the "Mother of God" -- but here is Jesus denying her blessedness! Not in the least. Catholic concerns aside, it does not deny blessedness but says "so then at least" -- in other words, a matter of preference rather than exclusion. And he is denying it on the basis of her not being his mother! For he was in effect saying, "If you must bless my mother, then bless the ones who really do constitute that relationship to me, not Mary. Sorry, Mr. Ed, no "really" is in there at all. More mangled eisegesis. That is,
 But he said, Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!
Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!These are the very ones whom, as we have already said, he identified as his mother:
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother, and sister, and mother.Amazing consistency! Yes, Mr. Ed has consistently failed to notice that there is no "detesting" going on in any of this. Jesus rejected Mary as his mother in every way, including rejecting that relationship to her when others only inferred it!
Jesus rejected, denied, disallowed -- whatever -- every relationship according to the flesh. He hated the relationships. He did not hate the persons. So sorry, Mr. Ed, but it says quite clearly in Luke 14:26, you must hate your father, brother, etc. -- not "your relationships with your father, brother, etc." Mr. Ed is softening those words and he's going straight to hell for it! The commandment to love the neighbor, that Jesus affirmed, is no contradiction to the discipleship qualification of Luke 14:26. Who can be a neighbor nearer than the mother or father, brothers and sisters, spouses and children?
Did he continue to love and honor Mary?
Most certainly, and he demonstrated this when, in the extreme agony of crucifixion, he remembered to honor her by provided for her elder care But he still forgot to "hate" her as the command says. But he addressed her as "Woman" and designated her as the Mother, not of himself, but of the Beloved Disciple, and the disciple her son. And in so doing, didn't express "hate" in the least in any sense, as noted above. At this point Mary had surely become a child of the Father and this made her also the Mother of the Beloved Disciple, Well then! That means Mary now had to also hate God AND John, because Luke 14:26 clearly says to hate your father and your brother. No exceptions are made for disciples and fellow believers, sorry! according to the principle already set forth twice in this paper:
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother, and sister, and mother. Then that also means we have to hate anyone who does God's will!Luke 14:26 means that, to qualify as a disciple, one must hate the relationships. It does not mean that one must hate the persons. Satanist! Where do you see the word "relationships" in that verse? That is a softening of the meaning, you liar! Devil worshipper! Wicked heathen! Peter Ruckman! Further, when we examine the emphasis that Jesus placed on this theme in much of his teaching, we must agree that the strongest form of the strongest negative emotion, hate, is the only proper way to express the qualification for discipleship. Jesus intended to be taken absolutely literally. He chose this harsh word, hate, because it is the only word that adequately expresses the Truth. Well then! If it's meant literally, then we can't add the word "relationships" now, can we? Gee, I thought LOVE to others was the way to be a disciple...I guess not.
5. Hating one's own life?
So Luke 14:26 contains no contradiction in the matter of hating one's relatives (relationships). Bzzzt! "Relatives" are NOT "relationships". Watch Mr. Ed squirm! But what of this matter, also specified, of hating one's own life?
I have justifiably designated it for a separate treatment because there is no contradiction between this and other teaching of Jesus about life. No? So we have to torture ourselves, commit suicide, etc. He has nowhere suggested in the least that we should love life in this world, but has everywhere testified to the hatred of life, culminating his testimony by his personal example of life hatred by willingly taking up his cross. Great! So by Mr. Ed's view, we should all go and commit suicide, just like Jesus did! So Mr. Ed, when you gona live up to this, huh? This saying, taken literally, appears too hard to bear for Christians, not because it contradicts anything taught by Jesus, but because it contradicts their love of life. That's right! Go and kill yourselves immediately.
Of course it is related to the other objects of hatred in Luke 14:26 because those are all relationships deriving from natural birth and the resulting life in this world. They are to be hated precisely because they pertain only to life in this world, which explains why Jesus lumped them all together. This is a topic that I have already visited repeatedly; therefore, rather than expanding on it further here, i urge you to go To a bunch of self-promo links we will delete from Mr. Ego's commentary.
Luke 14:26 is not a case of Semitic hyperbole. Yes, it is, and Mr. Ed has done nothing to address that subject, done no cultural study to disprove it, and has done nothing but manufacture excuses based in decntextualization. Jesus said exactly what he meant, and meant exactly what he said. All we humans need do is to understand him, then the concern about extreme language disappears. Yep. Be sure and place a call to Ace Hardware and Dr. Kevorkian, and you'd better do it fast before Mr. Ed and his followers become the next Branch Davidian disaster. David Koresh was a decontextualizer, too.
1. Thayer's Greek - English Lexicon of the New Testament, Hendrickson Publishers, First Printing, June 1996